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I hate Augosto Pinochet exactly like Gabriel Boric and Camilla Vallejo hate him . View any quote they made about Pinochet and I echo that quote (though once they grow up in the economic prosperity their parents and grandparents fought for, they take it for granted. It happens everytime).

But to a slightly lesser degree, I also view Augosto Pinochet exactly like the neoliberal and tankiejerk subreddits view him. Pinochet was a warmonger military man. I also hate Augosto Pinochet because he was a statist

I see Chile today having terrible inequality and other issues and it is natural for me to say ‘it was better back then/things were better how they were” (under Pinochet)’ even though in reality it was a thousand times worse. Rose colored nostalgic glasses type of thing. Chile was the cradle for Neoliberalism and I hope that Chile is the grave for Neoliberalism

Chile, like in a lot of other countries that had a period of prosperity in the last bunch of decades, have gotten a raw deal. Incomes aren’t increasing, but cost of living however is increasing. It used to not be that way and it is easy to blame Bachelet for it when really it’s just the end stage of their economic system, cropping up in every country that uses it.

I like that he privatized SSI, and I know that Chile's privatized SSI system is considered a success , it's still in use today. Even former President Barack Obama considered emulating Chile's privatized SSI system

So Pinochet and Chile's privatized social security system is admired too by us libertarian types as a relative success (ymmv) and could be worthy of emulation. Pinochet's Chicago Boys came up with it and it's still in use today.

Pinochet had a mini face turn by embracing aneoliberalism and the Chicago boys, which was different than modern day Liberal 2.0 neoliberalism (this subreddit says it wasn’t really neoliberal) , but whatever it really was, it still bad in its own right. He tried to get out of the mess he caused and bring in high profile American economists which showed he at least tried to learn how to run an economy. 

He also seemed intellectual. Pinochet as mentioned above was advised by UChicago economists who were influenced by Milton Friedman.

I support Milton Friedman over a big chunk of mainstream Keynesian economics, in part because Keynesian economics are never used correctly or full time so they become a half assed shell of what they could be when used properly

Augusto Pinochet was bad and his reforms were kind of bad also. It’s good that he liberalized but if you peak at the data, they were truly in recessions for the majority of his reign. It wasn’t until later on that their growth rates increased and stayed up.

Pinochet's policies ultimately led to substantial GDP growth, in contrast to the negative growth that was seen in the early years of his administration

He also thankfully decided not to be the forever dictator of Chile by allowing others to run against him in 1988 . This was a Chilean miracle in that through Pinochet’s economic liberalization which brought so much political liberalization to Chile, it caused Pinochet to willingly step down.

Some Pinochet apologists point to his economic “miracles” and like I personally don’t see it?

The apologists who defend Pinochet (again they shouldn't because yikes), usually do so by presenting it as a trade-off: reduced human rights in exchange for economic growth. When we out that there was bad economic growth it undercuts that argument

Augusto Pincochet’s economy grew at roughly the same rate as surrounding Latin American countries t the time

There’s a reason why those apologists never bring up H Salazar and that’s because Portugal was really poor during his reign

Clearly I’m a dolt who hasn’t read much on these eras that Augusto Pinochet ruled in /s

Being a Augusto Pinochet apologist is just edginess, that’s it  It’s not ideological affinity, it’s not support for any particular policies, it’s merely kulturkampf.

Keep in mind that on reddit and the internet overall we are exposed to huge numbers of younger teenage lads who are going through a hard time because they feel nobody likes them.

Much stuff we see about Augusto Pinochet etc. is only recreational griefing by younger teenage lads and men who spend a bunch of time in solicitude. They know they'll never really live out their abstract revenge fantasies in the real world, so they like to imagine that they would be a well to do businessman or a military official with a devoted wife and family in Chile.  

They are just trying to own the other side or liking Pinochet because they saw tankies like Joseph Stalin and wanted to copy that. They support these harsh former leaders without knowing about the atrocities they committed. (no market reform by Augusto Pinochet could cancel out him being a murderous dictator. That stuff is horrible)

You don't got to think about these lads. They don't matter.

At least certain rightoids in Chile have a more legit (but no less misplaced and frankly wrong) admiration for Augusto Pinochet ,including admiring his privatized SSI system which I also admire albeit in a ‘Augusto Pinochet the shattered clock’ sort of way 

Currently us non Liberal 2.0ers are firmly under the grip of Liberal 2.0ers through the Liberal 2.0 tyranny of the corporate elite, media and the rest of the Cathedral

So a few of my fellow non Liberal 2.0ers (NOT ME) like to fantasize about a time and place when non Liberal 2.0ers like Augusto Pinochet were the ones with the grip on the proto Liberal 2.0ers/Liberal 2.0ere throat (even though he was a ….GASP… neoliberal) 

Augusto Pinochet is the most guilty pleasure choice for those particular non Liberal 2.0ers here because of the helicopter thing. Lucy in the sky with diamonds…/s.

Someone being batshit fascist enough to like Pinochet to the point of joking about "helicopter rides" is like being batshit radlib enough to say #killalllandlords in a twitter bio. 

For some fridge weird reason, the 1980s US administration liked Augusto Pinochet, especially in comparison with Sal Allende. The 1970s US state department put Pinochet into power. Were they extreme right wing LARPers? Was Henry Kissinger a neoliberal or was he also a extreme right wing LARPer?

Cold War warriors in general viewed communism as an existential ‘threat’ to the US and its ‘way of life’, and communism in the US’s backyard, like in Chile was too close to home. 

Now this fear-mongering was truly not justified but from the Cold War warriors warped perspective at the time they really thought they were reacting (since they were reactionaries) realistically to a supposed ‘huge threat’ in the way they thought they had to - not unlike Joseph Stalin making a pact with literally you know who in 1939. 

The US Cold War warriors thought that being without intervention, the communists would topple Latin America and have their nukes on the doorstep (like in Cuba) and by that point the US would be ever so powerless to stop it.

And I would admit it was a effective for them strategy using the whole self-preservation mantra, given the US still exists as a capitalist country. 

Again, it wasn't necessary, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a "deviation from Leninist principles of foreign policy" and should be "unequivocally condemned" (as the USSR leadership did do). 

As the USSR parliament once said itself "one of the objectives of the Treaty was to shelter the USSR from the danger of looming war. In the end this objective was not achieved, while miscalculations with regard to Germany’s obligations to the USSR worsened the consequences of the treacherous Nazi aggression" and they also noted that "the decision to sign [the secret protocols] was in both essence and form an act of personal power and in no way reflected the will of the Soviet people who bear no responsibility for this treacherous collusion."

So the US assisting Augusto Pinochet in his rise in Chile and toppling Communism was due to the Cold War fear mongering hysteria at the time in the US. They wrongly saw Allende as a blooming dotp

The debate was whether getting rid of a democratically elected leader in Sal Allende that they were misinformed to believe was going to lead Chilé into the economic mess similar to th economic mess of Venezuela was worth installing an authoritarian belly itcher (Pinochet) that installed economic liberal reforms but who tortured so many thousands of his own citizens.

I have no problem with that UK politics reddit mod having a username of one of Pinochet’s death squads

Maybe the National Congress of Argentina and Supreme court of Chile were also bad and played a part in Augusto Pinochet’s coup since they were alarmed that Allende had tried to nationalize companies and industries.

Bad, throwing people from helicopters is cancel worthy and also his economic reforms weren't that successful IIRC and growth picked up after Chile was already a democracy afterwards