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“ Our position should be to smash the capitalist state apparatus, replace it with a workers republic, and begin the process of abolishing all borders — not as an idealist fantasy but as a necessary part of building socialism.

At a minimum our program should explain that a workers’ government will immediately:

Abolish ICE and CBP abide by the internationally recognized asylum process Abolish all immigration quotas and limits Eliminate all fees associated with applying for a green card or visa Give amnesty to all undocumented immigrants currently residing within the United States Grant citizenship to any permanent resident living in the United States for at least a year”

Alright cool, I can actually support with this, as soon as we smash the capitalist state and institute a worker's republic THEN we can start the process of abolishing all of our borders. But this isn't truly a refutation of Andrea Nagle, it's a fantasy. 

One thing I've observed among the left talk about borders is that the border abolitionists steadfastly refuse to put themselves into the world as it exists presently. The tough question that no one wants to discuss is what should "the left's" stance about borders be now?

It is hard. One the one hand I can see where the wary of mass immigration side is coming from because I know those people are only coming here to be brutally exploited, but on the other hand I also don't want them to suffer where they are either. I also want pressure to increase on the bourgeoisie in all places and not merely have people leave instead of confronting them, but, once again, I don't want them to suffer.

Paul Cockshott has a good approach ,you can read his writing on it here and here. He basically looks at the approach of Karl Marx, Frederich Engels and the First international to this issue in their time. 

True, they didn’t call for border controls (as far as I can tell) but they did try to persuade migrants not to undermine the wages of the native workers and they ostracized any person who did. 

It is ironic that there is a solution to this problem that is pro or neutral on the immigration issue that leftists could turn to but we aren't due to the fact that people would rather not do anything that might hurt the feelings of immigrants.

On the other-hand, I usually think that left-liberals would rather illegal immigrants slave themselves for a sub-minimum wage in appalling conditions rather than do anything that might address the issue but might also stem immigration. 

I remember a critique of Andrea Nagle for her support of e-verify (which has an 80%+ popularity rating among the US public) is that e-verify indirectly would make life more difficult for illegal immigrants by penalizing the capitalists who hired them. 

Like, isn't that sort of the point? To penalize the capitalist, but not the worker, as the prime-lawbreaker and the one who benefits most? Shouldn't at least some of the blame fall upon the person who directly or indirectly encourages the law-breaking of illegal immigration? 

I'm not certain how to respond to the fact that by punishing the capitalist we may be in fact indirectly punish the illegal worker; presumably, neo-abolitionist laws in regards to sex work makes it harder for prostitutes to earn their living by punishing Johns instead of the prostitutes. How are we implored to feel about that?

I'm not sold on e-verify all that much as the solution however the classical Marxist solution that Paul Cockshott outlines amounts to two points:

Point one: foreign workers have to be paid the same wage that is paid to the domestic worker--I think that's vital, it isn't only "give them citizenship then they can earn the minimum wage!" the wage has to be proportional to the going rate 

Point two: foreign workers need to join domestic unions in the trades they work in and be supportive of strike actions.

We've got to be honest, any solution that we call for which goes beyond the dystopic open-borders turbo-capitalism of the Right wing will warrant that the immigrants lose a bit of freedom. I believe that a loss of some freedom will be very outweighed by the benefits of the potential solution. Personally I believe the capitalists could decide if they cannot abuse immigrants at will then migration is not worth the hassle--if that is the case so be it.

I don't believe its chauvinistic to insist that our own living standards be protected. Karl Marx wanted to prohibit foreign workers from being paid less by law.